So, I’m trying to follow up on my efforts to determine what channels I get if I downgrade my TimeWarnerCable account. I started by writing an email to TimeWarnerCable through their “contact me” section.
I’m trying to make heads or tails of this, but I’ve so far been unable to get any clear information from you guys. I tried chatting with an agent, which resulted in sort of an amusing story which I posted on my blog at www.gefvert.org, which didn’t tell me anything at all. Eventually I gave up and am now going to try this way of communicating with you. Please bear with me.
I have, today, a Digital Tier package, I think. Since the promotional period is expiring, it’s going to cost me about $126 a month, which is too much for my taste. In talking to a billing agent online, I was led to believe that I could instead get a Family Choice package, which would bring the bills down to $96 or something, but I wan’t to make sure what channels I get with that.
Now, I was given an excellent online channel lookup tool, using which I have been able to see all the channels included in different packages. What it doesn’t tell me, is what packages are included in a specific option. Let me explain.
In the Digital Tier package, we presently have all the channels included in the Basic Cable, Classic/Standard package, Digital Tier, and Family Choice. So I need to click several different checkboxes to find out what channels I currently have – I can’t just click on Digital Tier, because that excludes, for instance, Basic and Classic.
Now. If I choose to go with the Family Choice package, and exclude the Digital Tier, which channels would I ultimately end up with? Does the $96 I then would pay per month include *only* the channels in Family Choice, numbering 985-999, or would it also include the Basic package (channels 2-22), and/or the Classic package (channels 23-71)?
Because it seems like still a lot of money for only 14 channels, if the Family Choice channels are all I get.
Please clarify,
Matt
A nice person by the name of Vicki Bagley responded. (Emphasis mine, phone or ID numbers have been redacted.)
I understand you want to know what packages are included in a specific option in our channel lineup. I apologize for the problems you’ve experienced
I know how exasperating this has been for you, but we know the importance of our business with our valued customers. Let me assure you that what happened in your case is not typical of our level of customer service. We continue to be committed to providing you and all of our customers with the highest standards of service in the industry. While the lack of service you experienced is unusual and not the standard of our company, there is no excuse for a lackadaisical attitude on the part of any of our representatives.
I understand how important is for you to get the correct channel information on the packages subscribed. Once the promotional offer gets expired you will be charged as per the normal rates.
I regret to inform you that currently we do not have such feature in our channel lineup where you can get packages included in specific options.
We appreciate your feedback and will pass on to our product and development department.
I apologize, but I need to escalate your issue for additional research. You will receive a response within 2 to 3 days, or less on [my phone number] . I apologize for the delay, but I do want to ensure that the proper resolution is found. Please note that the ticket number for your escalation is: [ticket number].
Thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have any other concerns do let us know. We will be happy to assist you.
I just want to let you know that we have improved our Support page at www.timewarnercable.com. It has more information and can answer many of the questions you have. I am sure you will find it to be very helpful to get support on your issues.
Now, to be honest with you, their support page – which has improved considerably since I looked at it last – does contain largely the correct answer in their FAQ, under the section FAQ – Programming – Family Choice. But, at this point, I’m wondering if I’m ever going to find a right answer from one of their representatives.
So, here we go again.
Thank you for your kind answer. You should be aware that the number mentioned is my wife’s cell and you stand a better chance of being able to contact me on XXX-XXX-XXXX, if you do call.
So, if I interpret what you’re saying correctly, if we “downgrade” our account to Family Choice, then it’s only the channels included in the Family Choice package we get (in the order of about 14 channels) and nothing else? It seems strange, I thought networks were required to carry at least ABC, CBS and so on, but maybe I’m mistaken.
This time, someone with the name of Charlie Dias responds in the following manner:
I understand you would like to get the list of channel included in Basic, Classic, Digital Tier and Family Choice package. I apologize for the inconvenience and will be glad to assist you.
To view the channel lineup of your area (Sort By Package), please click on the following link:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/clu/clu.ashx?ChannelFilter=All&CLUID=661&Zip=04330&SortByPackage=trueSince we are technical and billing support, we do not have access to the pricing and package information you are looking for, however, I will certainly guide you to the appropriate support. Please contact us at XXXXXXXXXX or XXXXXXXXXX (working hours: 24 x 7, Monday to Sunday) and we will make every effort to assist you.
We appreciate your patience and understanding.
Hmmm… back to square one. This doesn’t tell me at all what I’m looking for! It’s like they don’t read the emails — the emails being sent back and forth *does* contain the full thread of the conversation.
Now I’m starting to get a little upset. According to the information I’ve read online by now, there is a “must-carry” principle that says that cable companies must carry a number of TV stations. By looking at the wonderful site at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ I search through the US Code and find the appropriate sections, contained in Title 47, Chapter 5, Subsection V-A “Cable Communications”.
So, one more try. We’ll see what happens if I write in a little more pointed tone.
No.
I am trying to figure out what channels I get to watch if I downgrade my account from a Digital Tier to a Family Choice Tier. I have repeatedly tried to acquire this information from you, but have so far been unable to get a proper answer from you. The channels in the Family Choice section of your channel lineup cannot be the only channels available – there has to be Basic or Standard channels as well.
Pursuant to the regulations established for cable carrier corporations in the United States, detailed in 47 US Code §534 and §535, each such corporation must carry a number of channels of local commercial character, and noncommercial educational television, respectively. One of your customer service agents told me that the Basic channels would not be included in the available channels if I got the Family Choice Tier, which would place you in violation of FCC regulations and Federal Law.
Therefore, I ask once again: Which channels would be included if I downgraded my account from Digital Tier to the Family Choice Tier?
And that’s the story so far. We’ll see how it goes.

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